The ELCA’s Recent Decisions in Light of Scientific Research
With the ELCA Assembly’s approval of the Sexuality Statement and the associated resolutions, it is high time that all sides go to the meat of the matter, to try to understand precisely what homosexuality is. Recent neurobiological breakthroughs on this subject and the consequences of findings of the Human Genome Project for the ELCA’s decisions simply did not receive the attention they deserved, just as the media in general has not promoted this data in our broader public discussions. Why not? Let’s see...
With the ELCA assembly’s approval of the Sexuality Statement and the associated resolutions, it is high time that all sides go to the meat of the matter, to try to understand precisely what homosexuality is. Recent neurobiological breakthroughs on this subject and the consequences of findings of the Human Genome Project for the ELCA’s decisions simply did not receive the attention they deserved, just as the media in general has not promoted this data in our broader public discussions. Why not? Let’s see.
But first, we should consider: why does this data matter at all in assessing the denomination’s actions and in its next steps? Confessional Lutherans are committed to taking into account the best-available insights of reason and science in their public policy deliberations and actions. Our two-kingdom ethic mandates that we are subject to reason concerning matters of the kingdom on the left, such as in determining the natural law, which includes issues of marriage and sexuality:
For marriage is a rather secular and outward thing, having to do with …. matters that belong to the realm of government, all of which are subjected to reason (Gen. 1:28).1
In a sermon on Isaiah Luther made a similar point:
In earthly, human affairs man’s judgment suffices. For these things, he needs no light but that of reason. Hence God does not in the Scriptures teach us how to build houses, to make clothing, to marry… and so on. For these, our natural light is sufficient.2
Let’s examine what the natural light of reason, limited and susceptible though it be to amendment by new data, reveals regarding homosexuality, the degree to which it is natural, and in what ways it might or might not reflect the will of God.
Lessons of Contemporary Neurobiology
Too often when discussions of Science enter into theological conversations about homosexuality, sole reference is made to a 1972 action of the Board of Trustees of the American Psychological Association to remove homosexuality from its official diagnostic manual, entailing that it was no longer considered a mental illness. True enough, that is the reality in the guild of Psychology. It is the viewpoint of the media and of most Americans (including delegates to the recently completed ELCA Assembly): homosexuality is regarded as natural, an inevitable consequence of genetic inheritance. This impression regarding popular opinion in America was confirmed by a 2007 CNN poll.3 But that is old science. The latest findings to achieve general scientific consensus in the field of neurobiology and the research associated with the Human Genome Project indicate that the reality of homosexual inclination is more complex than the older APA consensus.
This is the problem. The public and the ELCA membership in particular do not know this new data. And in the debate held prior to and during the assembly, the ELCA national offices did not seem to want the constituency to be informed regarding what I now share.4
According to the most recent research, the inclination to homosexuality is likely natural. There are lots of supporting data. Researchers have indicated that homosexuals have different mind structures from heterosexuals. They have different hypothalamic structures (the parts of the brain located just above the brain stem that regulate body functions like temperature, smell, and perhaps sexual behavior). It seems that a tiny clump of neurons of the anterior hypothalamus are in the case of heterosexuals usually more than twice the size of this clump in the case of homosexual men. It is also the case that this region of the brain is activated in homosexual men by the smell of male sweat, rather than by female urine which stimulates straight men’s reactions. There are also homosexual-heterosexual differences in the size of the brain’s anterior commissure (a band of fibers in the front of the brain which join its symmetrical parts in that region).5 In one study conducted in the early 1990s (though not repeated in some subsequent tests), a gene associated with the X28 marker on the X chromosome was found to differ in gay men in comparison to a sample of straight men. These findings prompted a discussion of whether there might be “gay gene.”6 In any case, there is evidence of some biological differences between gay and straight men.
Homosexuality also seems to be shaped by birth order. A man is more likely to be gay if he is a later-born son. Various earlier studies prior to the most recent findings of University of Toronto researcher Ray Blanchard and colleagues have made this finding. Blanchard and his colleagues have now concluded, based on 145 samples from many geographic regions, that birth order may be the single most reliable biodemographic difference between homosexual and heterosexual men. It seems that each older brother a man has increases the odds of his homosexuality by 33%. It is being hypothesized that the fraternal birth order effect leads some mothers to a progressive immunity to Y-linked, male-related histocompatibility antigens (H-Y antigens). These antibodies, it is contended, pass through the placenta to the fetus and affect aspects of sexual differentiation in the fetal brain. Without exposure to these male hormones, masculinization of the brain does not transpire.7
Other Natural Behaviors
In view of the data just considered it is logical to ask whether they settle the case regarding homosexuality in favor of the more liberal position taken by the recent ELCA assembly. Homosexuality seems biologically influenced, part of God’s good creation! That is one way of reading the data. But other scientific findings warrant consideration before a conclusion is reached.
Is everything “natural” logically equal to “God’s good creation” or “the will of God”? Research indicates that sexual promiscuity is also natural. Nearly 1000 of the 1154 past or present human societies ever studied have permitted a man to have more than one wife. Raging libido in men, it could be concluded, may be related to the natural reality that healthy males have a nearly infinite potential rate of reproduction. The biological data could also suggest that females naturally tend to be promiscuous when seeking a potential father with good genes who will invest in their offspring, as research indicates that most women who cheat on their mates do so when ovulating.8
Likewise, it appears that some of us are born with more of a natural inclination to violence than others. It seems that individuals with a particular version of the MAOA gene called 2R have a much higher likelihood of being prone to criminal behavior. Variations in a dopamine transporter (DAT1) gene and a dopamine receptor (DERD2) gene also contribute to bad behavior.9 Are these inclinations part of God’s good creation, the will of God? Even things that appear to be natural, the result of genetic inclinations, can be and are judged by Christian and other moral persons of good will as evil—ingredients of a sin-scarred world. Is it too late for a dialogue on these issues in the ELCA and among the public at large?
Insights from the Human Genome Project
Homosexuality is yet more complex. The world-renowned tracing of genes known as the Human Genome Project, just completed during this decade, has shed light on the age-old problem of whether biology or environment determines who we are. The answer is both. We are not genetically determined. There are not enough genes and possible genetic combinations to account for the individuality of all the homo sapiens who have ever lived.10 What does this entail for assessing homosexuality?
Francis Collins, the Head of the Human Genome Project, notes the evidence from twin studies supporting the conclusion that heritable factors play a role in male homosexuality. While only 2% to 4% of the general male population is gay, there is a 20% likelihood that a homosexual fraternal twin and a 50% likelihood that a homosexual identical twin male will have a twin who is also gay.11 But not every identical twin of a gay man is himself an active homosexual. Just as many later-born males are happy and secure heterosexuals.
Environment plays a role in the determining sexual preference. This has all sorts of implications for admitting practicing gays to the ministry and the implications that might have for nurturing our youth. Don’t we still need a dialogue about this range of issues?
What Does This Mean?
What does all this entail regarding the next steps American Lutheranism takes? I don’t want to prejudice this data by sharing my judgments. I would prefer you and the rest of the Church try to figure out its implications for actions on the ELCA assembly’s decisions. On one hand, it could be argued that even if homosexuality is influenced by one’s environment, it is still not a choice, and so is natural and good. But could it not also be argued that legitimizing homosexuality, that making it a valid practice in the church, will threaten heterosexuality, effectively encouraging those with genetic homosexual dispositions to adopt the gay lifestyle, when in a community where heterosexuality is the norm they might have gone the other way? On these grounds, our debate would not just be about the rights of the individual (our so-called “bound consciences”), but a struggle over what is good for the community.12
Alas, contrary to Bishop Mark Hanson’s September Open Letter in which he seems to encourage conversations on the issues raised by ELCA assembly decisions, the Higgins Road hierarchy never did and still does not seem to want a churchwide debate on the matter. I was informed by The Lutheran editorial staff member Kathleen Kastilahn, speaking on behalf of the magazine’s editor Daniel Lehman after the assembly’s actions, that the relevant scientific data would not be considered in future issues even while admitting that this data had not previously been considered by either side in the debate. Besides, she added, we need to move ahead with ministry concerns; we are not interested in “re-arguing the matter.”13 Note the admission here that the scientific data had not and would not be considered. Why not?
An email I received from Roger Willer, Director of Studies for the ELCA, said: "The task force [formulating the Social Statement on Human Sexuality] did have presentations by scientists as part of their ‘research phase,’ and were aware of the data but I think the basic message from scientists is that the jury is still out on the relation of the scientific data and the social phenomena of homosexuality." The chair of the Taske Force, Bp. Peter Strommen, largely echoed these sentiments, even conceding that the scientific data indicates that homosexuality is not genetically determined, that in this case there is a "complex interaction between biology and environment" (as the data I have presented indicate).14
Get that? Both staff and the Human Sexuality Task Force, it seems to me, concede that no clear scientific grounds exist for changing policies regarding practicing gays. When I asked why neither the ELCA staff nor the Task Force shared the scientifically ambiguous status of the scientific data regarding homosexuality with the assembly or with the church at large I was informed, contrary to the previously cited poll data regarding public perceptions, that no one voiced the belief to the Task Force that homosexual practice is genetically determined, and besides the data challenging this conclusion was already public.15 It boggles my mind that the Task Force members and staff did not know how many gay ordination proponents in the ELCA operate with the assumption that homosexuality is genetically determined. At the very least, they should have attended to previously-cited survey results regarding the attitudes of the American public at large. What cannot be substantiated is the Task Force chair’s claim that the relevant scientific issues I have raised in this article were already considered in a 2003-2004 Study Guide released by the Task Force. That is simply not possible, since the relevant findings of the Human Genome Project and its implications for homosexuality were not released until October 2004.16
But if for purposes of argument we grant this account of why no churchwide consideration of the relevant scientific data has been provided, there are significant flaws in the Task Force reasoning (as well as the staff and the ELCA Church Council to the degree they supported the Task Force’s processes). The Task Force chair indicates that the “focus of the social statement is theological and biblical.”17 But to proceed on that basis, expressly not considering the relevant science in this case, seems to be a denial of the two-kingdom ethic for, as we have seen above, Luther would direct us to engage the best-available knowledge on issues of human reason. And if we concede at least by logical implication as the Task Force and the Director of Studies have that there is no clear scientific grounds for changing policies, the only rationale left for the Task Force, staff, and Church Council was to appeal to individual rights (“bound consciences”), certain historical-critical readings of the Bible, or versions of Lutheran theology which as we have seen discount a role for reason and the two-kingdom ethic in public policy decisions! The ELCA assembly has either acted on the basis of bad theology or acted while evading consideration of all the relevant scientific information due to some questionable judgments about what our constituency understands about this data.
There are other Higgins Road evasions of which ELCA members ought to be aware. I sought out pastoral advice from denominational staff after the assembly actions on my constitutional obligations as an ELCA pastor in view of these actions, as well as on the new standards for ordained ministries and policies regarding gay/lesbian marriage. For ordained ministers in the ELCA shall “accept and adhere to the Confession of Faith of this church… [and] shall comply with the constitution.”18 The initial reaction to the inquiries I made to the denomination’s Office of the Secretary, Communication Services Unit, and Church in Society Unit was either (1) we do not know the precise status of the assembly’s actions; (2) a distinction is to be made between the constitution and revised ministry policies; or (3) the assembly’s actions on ministry policies do not require changes to the ELCA constitution. Typical corporate-response rhetoric, pleading ignorance. Overall, the dominant response was that “we don’t know the status of what has been and will be done.”19
But when I asked the follow-up question of whether changes to the policies regarding the ordained ministry did not also change the meaning of the constitutional clauses pertaining to standards for ordained ministry, or of the clauses pertaining to confessional subscription (since the new ELCA policies will challenge the historic interpretation of Scripture and the Lutheran Confessions), I either received no response at all, an opinion that there are no constitutional stipulations regarding how the Confessions are interpreted (anything goes, it seems, as long as I agree to subscribe to them), or a curt, “I have answered your question, and quite clearly, I think.” At least two staff members honestly admitted that we don’t have an answer to the precise status of what the assembly has done and what the follow-up actions will do.20
This is how ELCA staff responds to the media and its pastors! Smell a rat, particularly in the ruling that a 2/3 majority was not required in the assembly’s policy votes? If the status and legal consequences of the assembly’s actions were that clear constitutionally, why is staff not prepared to provide simple, well-documented, courteous answers to those like myself sincerely seeking counseling and clarification? And if we really do not know the status of the actions taken and those to come, how could we be so sure that the constitution was not effectively changed by the assembly (in which case the 2/3 majority would have been required)?
Putting aside the brusque unhelpfulness of several of the ELCA staff in my efforts to gain clarity, and even the possible constitutional irregularities of the new policies regarding homosexuality, I’m more concerned about why the staff as a whole has not and still will not expose all segments of the church to the scientific data presented in this article. Grappling with this data offers a lot more promise for a civil discussion of what comes next regarding homosexual leadership and gay unions in American Lutheranism. Consider again the initial quotations. Seriously engaging all the available scientific data, subject to revision though its findings be, seems to be Luther’s advice to us.
Mark Ellingsen is Full Professor of Church History at the Interdenominational Theological Center in Atlanta, Georgia and the author of 15 books, most recently Sin Bravely: A Joyful Alternative To a Purpose-Driven Life.
Notes
1. Martin Luther, Wochenpredigten ueber Matt.5-7 (1532), WA 32:376,38/LW 21:93: “Weil der Ehestand gar ein weltlich eusserlich ding ist wie weib, find, haus und hoff und anders, so zur oeberkeit regiment gehoeret, also das gar der vernunfft unterworffen ist Gen. 1.” Cf. Martin Luther, Der 111. Psalem ausgelegt (1530), WA 31I:409f.,34ff./LW 13:369.
2. Martin Luther, Kirchenpostille (1522), WA10I/1:531,6/Complete Sermons of Martin Luther, 3.2, ed. John N. Lenker (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 2000), 319: “Inn zeyttlichen dingen und die den menschen angehen, da ist der mensch vornunfftig gnug, da darff er keynisz andern leichts denn der vornunfft.” For those inclined to argue that the issues before the assembly pertained to polity and matters of the kingdom on the right, it is interesting to note that the Confessions themselves (esp. Apology of The Augsburg Confession [1531], XXIII) considered reason and the natural order as relevant for determining a position on polity questions like the marriage of priests.
3. CNN/USA/Gallup Poll, reported in “Gay men, former lesbian on whether they can change,” June 30, 2007.
4. Correspondence with The Lutheran editor Daniel Lehmann about this data prior to 2008 indicated that the magazine would not consider this data until after the “Draft Social Statement on Human Sexuality” was made public early in 2008. But reminders to the editorial staff about this data after that date went unheeded. Likewise, the ELCA’s Director of Studies and headquarter’s staff member in charge of handling the Assembly’s debate on the sexuality questions was made aware of this data, even responded to it, but elected not to expose delegates to it. As an explanation for the neglect of this data (Dialog editor Kristen Largen also would not touch it, even though in all cases I invited the persons contacted merely to publish the data as press releases, leaving me and my analysis out of the picture), see Note 14.
5. Simon LeVay, “A Difference in Hypothalmic Structure Between Heterosexual and Homosexual Men,” Science 253 (Aug. 30, 1991): 1034-1037; Ivanka Savic, Hans Berglund, and Per Lindstrom, “Brain Response to Putative Phenomones in Homosexual Men,” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 102 (May 17, 2005): 7356-7361; Laura S. Allen and Roger A. Gorski, “Sexual Orientation and the Size of the Anterior Commissure in the Human Brain,” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 89 (Aug. 1, 1992): 7199-7202.
6. Dean Hamer, “Male Sexual Orientation and Genetic Evidence,” Science 262 (1993): 2063-2065.
7. Ray Blanchard, Kenneth Zucker, Peggy T. Cohen-Kettenis, Louis J. G. Gooren, J. Michael Bailey, “Birth Order and Sibling Sex Ratio in Two Samples of Dutch Gender-Dysphoric Homosexual Males,” Archives of Sexual Behavior 25 (1996).
8. Robert Wright, “Infidelity – It may be in our genes: Our Cheating Hearts,” Time, Aug. 15, 1994.
9. Guang Guo, as reported in “Study Discovers Genetic Link to Delinquency," Taiwan News, July 16, 2008.
10. “International Human Genome Sequencing Consortium Describes Finished Human Genome Sequence Researchers Trim Count of Human Genes 20,000 – 25,000,” Oct. 20, 2004.
11. Francis S. Collins, The Language of God (New York: Free Press, 2006), 260; Richard Pillard and J. Michael Bailey, “A Biologic Perspective on Sexual Orientation,” Psychiatric Clinics of North America (March 18, 1995): 71-84. It should be noted that in this case, as well as in most other research, the data pertains only to homosexual men, not women.
12. The idea of “bound conscience” was of course one of the buzz-phrases used by the ELCA Church Council in its recommendations to the assembly and was in fact one of the resolutions passed by the assembly—calling us all to respect each one’s conscience.
13. Kathleen Kastilahn, telephone message, September 2009; Mark Hanson, “A Message to ELCA Rostered Leaders,” Sept. 23, 2009.
14. Roger Willer, email to Mark Ellingsen, June 18, 2009; Peter Strommen, email to Mark Ellingsen, October 2, 2009.
15. Peter Strommen, email to Mark Ellingsen, October 6, 2009; Ibid., October 7, 2009.
16. Ibid., October 6, 2009; see note 10 above.
17. Strommen, October 6, 2009.
18. Constitution, Bylaws, and Continuing Resolutions of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, 7.22; see also 7.30ff.
19. Ruth Hamilton, email to Mark Ellingsen, August 25, 2009; John Brooks,
email to Mark Ellingsen, August 31, 2009; Katie English, email to Mark
Ellingsen, September 14, 2009. Of those staff who responded to my
inquiries, only English offered friendly and caring follow-up
responses. But the ELCA Department of Studies terminated this dialogue
on September 21, 2009, claiming that staff would not be able to satisfy
me and, besides, staff had no time [to offer such pastoral care].
(Departmental action confirmed by Roger Willer, email to Mark
Ellingsen, September 28, 2009.)
20. Constitution and Bylaws, 7.22; 7.30ff.; English; Brooks; David Ullrich,
telephone conversation, September 22, 2009; Marcus Kunz, telephone
conversation, September 23, 209.
Neurobiology and homosexuality
I'm not a neuropsychologist, but I know a bit about the subject. I've seen MRI's and FMRI's of the human brain and know a little about the function of neurons and neurotransmitters in the brain's formative stage.
I still remember what my developmental psych professor said regarding homosexuality being inborn ("nature") or learnt ("nurture"). She said, quite firmly, "the jury is out and will continue to be for quite some time...there is no firm consensus, even among members of the APA." Her personal belief that it was a mixture of nature AND nurture. Many of us have the potential to be homosexual, but that happens in only a very few individuals as a random sampling of the population.
Alfred Kinsey came up with this crack-brained "10%" theory, and you'd be hard pressed to find a mental health professional today (psychiatrist, psychologist, behaviourist) who puts any stock in it. I don't. In fact, the rules of this forum prohibit my posting much of what I know about Kinsey.
I am not surprised that the powers-that-be in the ELCA treated Professor Ellingsen the way they did. What he was presenting, which was clinical data obtained via scientific methods, did not fit the agenda that has been in place since at least 2001. I imagine that if I had been a voting member at CWA '09 and would have tried to give my own assessment from a clinical-behavioural point of view, it wouldn't have been "welcome" (but you can jolly well bet I would have spoken my piece anyway).
Do I smell a rat? Yes, several, but I'll not name names.
The homosexual lobby wanted what they wanted, and they got what they got.
Science
confusing the kingdoms
Since the Gospel IS the church's God-given task, and preventing homosexuals from serving in the roles of leadership or the ordained ministry directly impedes and works against that task, the church must fully include homosexuals if it wishes to follow its mandate.
Thanks
As for one of the responses referring again to the Gospel, my question would be what do you mean by gospel and what is the content of that gospel?
This Sunday's reading for St. Luke's Day includes: "Then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures, and said to them, 'Thus it is written that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be preached in his name to all nations beginning from Jerusalem...." (Luke 24:45-47, RSV).
And, the first of Luther's 95 Theses begins: "Our Lord and Master Jesus Christ, when He said Poenitentiam agite, willed that the whole life of believers should be repentance."
The proper distinction of Law and Gospel urges that the content of Gospel preaching in the Lutheran tradition includes the forgiveness of sins and the call to daily repentance.
Using the language of rights to refer to who may be regularly called to the office of ministry is a confusion of Law and Gospel. There is no right to ordination based upon a general affirmation derived from the costliness of God's grace in Jesus Christ crucified.
Justice
To have guaranteed civil rights for homosexual people in terms of nondiscrimination in the sphere of housing, jobs, threatened livelihoods, etc. is quite one thing ("left-hand" kingdom).
To say that such guarantees pass into the religious sphere ("right-hand" kingdom) is, at best, fallacious. I remember Indianapolis 2001 CWA with all the hooliganism outside and people screaming into the news cameras that it was their "right" to be ordained.
Nobody has a "right" to ordination, nor to have the Church solemnise their unions.
My first ELCA pastor, back when the ELCA still enforced its rules, told me that he got any number of people coming in saying that they wanted him to marry them. He said that if he thought it was for the wrong reasons, such as cohabitation, financial convenience, etc., he wouldn't do it. He said "I've probably made a lot of people mad with that stance, but I have to be true to what the Church calls me to do." He said, as far as homosexuals, "ain't happening."
Of course, this was in 1997. Knowing him as I did, I'm going to take a guess that he's probably choosing to retire than continue in the ELCA as it is now.
Rights
Well, the "justice" argument worked for ordaining females though, didn't it?
"Justice?"
Was the "justice" argument used?
I am not a lifelong Lutheran.
Rights?
It's job is to proclaim the Gospel: that Jesus, though He was sinless, died for all of our sins on the cross, and was raised by God. He promises forgiveness of sins. Not contingent on repentance or anything else we do. All that there is, is trusting that promise of healing and forgiveness for our broken selves.
No Repentance Required?
Really?
Faith
Samaritan Woman
John 4:38-40 which is past tense... including the cohabitation that Jesus pointed out to her. (that is clearly repentance) Three, also from scripture- Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman's testimony- the woman's testimony was so CONVINCING that many Samaritans BELIEVED. They believed in Jesus based on the change in her! Her own belief! (conversion, repentance)
interesting definition of repentance
Bible Interpretation
entirely hermeneutics
Also concerning is that you seem to be staking everything on whether or not the Bible is 100% accurate. That's putting one's trust in the Bible, instead of in Christ. This was the problem in the LCMS 35 years ago-- whether or not Jonah was literally swallowed by a whale was more important to them than Christ's death and resurrection.
*Which is not to be confused with the gospel meaning type of literature about Jesus
Cheap grace
Not to mention Hebrews 10:26-27 (NASB):
"For if we go on sinning wilfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgement and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries."
That passage gets me every time I read it.
costly grace
Sin is not failure to do our modern day Torah. It is failure to trust Christ's promise. We don't live out that promise by trying to diligently do our Torah. (John 16:9- sin is that we do not believe in Christ, not that we do not do the Law. and note Mark 10:18-20) We live out that promise by following Christ. We try to follow Him in our sexual relationships as well as other relationships. Governing sexual relationships: "Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." (Mark 10:9) or "Love your neighbor as yourself." (Matthew 22:29) or "You shall not commit adultery" (Exodus 20:14). On the last, even Luther notes in his explanation of that commandment that one important thing about marriage is that it is the way in which we honor this commandment. Marriage is the proper outlet for our sexual desire, which is God's good gift to us. Forbidding marriage to homosexuals is standing against God. Not only are you calling evil what God has made good, but you would withhold the protection of marriage from them.
And for all that it's said 'well Scripture says homosexuality is bad', Scripture says more than that. It says homosexuality is bad solely because it is a consequence of idolatry (Romans 1:23). Is that your understanding of homosexuality today? Instead, we are given this model from Romans 14:13 "Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way." Condemnation of homosexuality has been a major stumbling block that has been placed in front of a lot of people. Or consider: "For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking,[we could just as easily read marriage here] but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men." (17-18) Peace and Joy in the Holy Spirit, which can be present in marriage between two people of any gender. Or even Romans 14:22: "So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves."
Incidentally, I think Romans 14:22 is the answer to Henry's repeated question of "is it the repentant or unrepentant homosexual who is justified in communion"?
comment
"He promises forgiveness of sins. Not contingent on repentance or anything else we do."
Really?"
Yes, the promise of forgiveness is not contingent on whether one repents or not. Now, on the other hand, whether one receives the promised forgiveness or not has a great bearing on the act of repentance. Distinction-making is essential at this point.
Confusing Kingdoms
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Nature Vs. Nurture
Isn't there something awkward about granting moral approval to something simply because it is? "If it exists/happens, it must be alright, because that's how God made it/me." Hitler could use the same argument, couldn't he?
What Science Tells Us About Homosexuality
Much, but not all, of the science you present is badly out of date or just plain wrong. The latest findings are:
Male, but not female, homosexuality is a recognized pathology that is determined by a constellation of about 50 genes. The genes serve as a sort of trigger such that when a male child around the age of 2 or 3 experiences some psychological trauma such a parental (and especially fatherly) abandonment, the trigger is fired. In a proportion of these children, the trigger initiates a cascade of developmental events that result in disordered sexual desire.
Insofar as female homosexuality is concerned, very little research has been done. However, the general consensus is that females are not as highly sexualized as males and, as a consequence, their sexual preferences are less strictly defined.
If you want more information, I could probably dig up the citations. I participated in the NW Synod's Sexual Study Task Force in which I wrote up a technical white paper citing this research. I just looked and could not find the paper, but I am sure I can resurrect the citations.
I do have a point of view, here. I am a confessional Lutheran, fluent in Biblical Hebrew (very helpful in studying this issue), and I hold a PhD in Tumor Immunology (very helpful in wading through the scientific publications). So, if you want further information, drop me a note and I'll try to dig up the details for you.
Peace of the LORD,
Michael
mtp1032 at comcast.net
http://themoralchristian.blogspot.com
http://thussaidthelord.blogspot.com
marriage and the state
However we deal with the mythic elements of the Genesis narratives, the witness is to the grounding of human community in the divinely recognized relationship
of marriage first through Adam and Eve, later through Noah and his wife, their sons and wives, etc. from the beginnings of humanity. Reason and the state may suggest certain aspects of marital arrangement that are more suitable than others (e.g. prohibiting first cousins from marrying or limiting marriage between citizens and imprisoned convicts; tax laws etc.) but the state exceeds its role when it redefines this created mandate of male and female to include same-sex couples. A similar categorical error was perpetrated by the Third Reich when it defined certain groups as more or less human. The state is itself a divinely mandated part of creation and therefore has no authority over other divinely mandated parts of creation. Denial of the divinely authorized "estate of marriage" is, quite simply, a denial of the authority of the Creator. This is, I believe, the error of many western democracies, including our own, as well as liberal protestant churches, such as the ELCA. In addition, the ELCA has given the state, via politically correct culture, authority within the church which the state may not exercise except perhaps under desperately urgent conditions when the state leadership is clearly Christian and supervening in the place of corrupt church leaders. That is no longer even an option in a democratic state.
Thus, while I appreciate your appeal to reason, and scientific evidence as part of reason's "tool box," I think there is a prior doctrinal error involved in these decisions both in church and state regarding the undermining of the Creator's authority, intention and continued provision for His creation. The N.T. witness to marriage is grounded in such an understanding so that, with the perceived imminent conclusion of creation at hand, Paul can urge Christians to forgo marriage even while the gospels' Jesus blesses marriage between male and female as that which God has joined together and no one can separate along with marriage not being a heavenly concern, while later testimony recognizes marriage as symbolic of the union between Christ and His Church. I believe this is consistent with the confessions (AC 16, 23; Ap. 23; Small & Large Cat.). Democracy has,however, by its very structure, eliminated concern for God's intention with regard to matters of governance except as the people decide to include Him. So, while I agree with your unveiling of what amounts to hypocrisy on the part of those "in charge" of the ELCA, I believe the issues are both deeper and more disconcerting with regard to our witness to Almighty God the Creator, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, blessed be He. The ELCA has, I believe, abandoned the one holy catholic and apostolic church for sectarian teaching that opposes the will of the Creator and substitutes human decision and desire.
Greg Harbaugh
response to Harbaugh
I would add to the last phrase above after the definitive pronoun, Him, the words: "or not". This is precisely what has led our democratic process astray in that the sole ground for deliberation is human centered reflection exclusively without any reflection(thanksgiving for our way of life) on a Creator. I have been concerned about how the nature of government, an order of God's creation, can shift toward government of, by and for the people as exclusively engaged by people who have forgotten about "transcendence". If there is such a thing as atheistic government (I really don't believe any structure can be a-theistic as it literally has been structured by one whom we call God, the historical powers within that order however are another issue) it is based simply on the voice of the people who believe individually and collectively that their origins are based simply within themselves and their rhetoric and their voting rights, their community with no "transcendental origin".
I believe the dilemma within the ELCA is solely based on the democratic process without repentance and faithful appeal to the God of either the Hebrew Scriptures or of the New Covenant in Jesus. ELCA's flavor of deliberation occurs beyond the God of the promises and is centered solely on what we choose to ascribe to God. This is based on our own images of who that God is actually contrary to Scripture. Then we use the Scriptures to shore up our fallacious views. The ideas and prophecies of Feuerbach have come true!
Response to all responders
Rik, it never occurred to me that the data I presented (the common wisdom of the guild, David says) could help promote dialogue with and within LCMS, TAALC, LCMC, and other Lutheran bodies. Great idea! Any ideas about how we could collectively get this data to these bodies and invite dialogue?
Your comments, Rik, suggest that you have given up on the ELCA. At least for awhile longer I’m going to try lovingly to pester Higgins Road hierarchy. Not ready to pull out and leave the legacy of Muhlenberg, Henkel, Esbjorn, Bockman, Gullixson, Jones, Krauth, and Fry to them. That legacy will truly be forgotten if we leave it to Higgins Road to keep it alive. I share your comment about how interesting it was to experience the defensive, evasive, and insulting responses of ELCA staff to innocent, existential questions of one of its pastors. But in fairness, they do feel under the gun, and we all do things we regret when we get defensive.
Kurt, I’m not sure what your point was. Were you praising the effort to take scientific findings in our deliberations seriously or being critical? Glad to chat more about this if you wish.
Peter, you and Greg seem to object to Luther’s location of marriage in the Kingdom on the Left, in the sphere of reason. It is true that the Reformer had more to say about marriage than I offer here. I have a fuller exposition of this matter and Luther’s views on sexuality in a Winter 1993 article in Dialog (occasioned by an earlier ELCA effort to have practicing gays and lesbians ordained). Titled “Luther On Human Sexuality,” if you cannot access it, let me know your address and will send a copy via snail mail. The classic exposition to consider is Paul Althaus, The Ethics of Martin Luther, pp.83-100. I don’t think you’ll have any doubts, then, of marriage’s status as a matter of the state. But why does that rule out Christian marriage? Just because I am an American citizen does not stop me from being Christian. Likewise marriage can belong to the polis and still be Christian. Luther makes that point very clear in his On Marriage Matters (WA 30III: 246/LW 46:318) and elsewhere in his corpus. The clergy do not make the laws of marriage: That is a government affair. The Church’s job, Luther contends, is to address matters of conscience where jurists and legislation confuse consciences.
Is this what you were worrying about, Peter and Greg – that Luther’s comments entail that Christian marriage is dictated by the state, so that if the state legalizes gay marriage the Church must marry gays and lesbians? No, the Church still has a prophetic role on Luther’s grounds in ensuring that legislation reflects the orders of creation, which the scientific data presented may aid us in discerning. Also don’t forget that a Christian marriage is different from the secular institution of marriage in Luther’s view. Roland Bainton, Here I Stand, pp.223-237, portrayed the Reformer’s view of the married state as a “school for character.” For Christians, marriage is not a contract, but a witness to God’s faithfulness and an opportunity to practice the Christian vocation. Push me for more clarity, colleagues, if you are still uncomfortable with these points.
By the way, note that Luther and the Confessions define marriage as between a man and a woman (see The Large Catechism, I.VI.207,219; Apology of The Augsburg Confession, XXIII.11,12). To this juncture Chicago offices have not changed that, but we need to be vigilant (see “Visions and Expectations: Ordained Ministers in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America,” Draft, 2009, Footnote 2).
Regarding Samuel’s, David’s, and Peter’s concerns that Ordination not be deemed a right, I agree, but only up to a point. You are absolutely correct qua the invisible church. But when it comes to the Church as institution, discerning with candidates if they are truly called, don’t we need fair and just practices? I think we do. In the Southeastern Synod where I reside, there have been a number of instances under the previous Bishop’s watch where the Vocations Committee gave several African-American candidates studying at my seminary extra hoops to jump through.
Concerning the dialogue between Peter, Paul, David, Steven, and Lutheran Refugee on repentance, faith, Biblical interpretation, and related issues, I’d urge us to “sin bravely.” A lot of animosities, judgmentalism, and threats to secede in our dispute would wither away if we took Luther’s famed advice. After 36 happy years, I should know something about marriage. (Of course I still have a lot to learn.) But it’s taught me how selfish/ concupiscent I am. I’m still seeking self, even in the externally righteous interactions between Betsey and myself and in the things we do for our kids. Aren’t you and yours concupiscent too? Why we’re as big sinners as practicing gays and those Higgins Road folks who we think have manipulated the process! At least I am. Maybe if all sides had that attitude we’d be a little kinder to each other, a little less inclined to leave the ELCA or to treat each other curtly. Our dispute is not over sinfulness, not even about who is saved. It’s just a disagreement over theology, mission strategies, about who has best discerned God’s Will, and civil righteousness (what will best serve society’s interest). Is it OK to critique homosexual practice and the theology authorizing it if it’s done in that spirit, Peter? Can we still be friends if we disagree on those matters?
Finally I come to where my heart is – the points by David and Michael concerning the scientific data to which I introduced you. (I’ll get to your observation, Steven, in closing.) I was so pleased, David, when I saw your testimony to how the data I presented in the article was widely accepted in the psychological and medical guilds. Even the Higgins Road staff agreed. What I placed before you was not “quack” science. And I was no less pleased to learn of the other relevant scientific data you wanted to share, Michael. Why not let us all see what you offered to me? (Full Disclosure: Mike and I have been swapping emails.) But I’ve got to call it like I see it, Mike. What you have provided is not much more recent that the data I shared, except for two 2008-2009 documents which don’t clearly take into account the Human Genome Project as I did. If and when Michael shares this with us all, I think that you will note that his data, like what I presented, endorses the ideas of both the natural character of homosexual dispositions, but also the role of the environment in the evolution of such dispositions into actual sexual preference and practice. (Do I have it right, Mike?)
My hesitation in using the information Mike introduces is that the American Psychological Association has rejected suggested therapies based on this data. This will make it too easy for Higgins Road staff to dismiss our concerns raised in the name of science, as it would open the way for staff to claim that we were calling for the consideration of anti-gay propaganda, not hard science. Far safer, it seems to me, to campaign for the ELCA membership to be exposed to data which has wide acceptance in the guild. But what do you think?
This brings me to my final point: What do you make of the data? Does it affirm the
new ELCA policies or indicate that homosexual practice is contrary to the Word of God? You struggle with this, Steven, suggesting that it indicates that homosexual practice is not God’s Will even if the disposition is natural. Do we all agree? If not, let’s get a counter-argument. Wouldn’t it be neat to get a consensus on this, and approach Chicago with it, especially after dialoguing with all our congregations and synods? I’m game if you are.
What can we do to push the Higgins Road hierarchy and our members to grapple with the hard science? Wouldn’t it help our church to get closer to discerning truth? Ideas? Remember, Higgins Road staff and the Task Force drafting the Social Statement says this science is just my hang-up, that no one in the whole ELCA is pressing it. David, you say the data goes against the Higgins Road agenda. Could you explain why?
In this connection, still wondering about the constitutional status of the Assembly actions and the follow-up? I never got the answer from Higgins Road. Read the footnotes and you’ll know who to call. Maybe you can get an answer. Be sure not to take their first answer (that the constitution hasn’t been changed). The issue is if its meaning has been changed (in which case it was changed). If you don’t, my interactions with staff will just be dismissed as the work of a troublemaker. (Contact me privately, and I’ll let you know who was courteous and who called me a “jerk.”)
Has everyone seen the draft for revisions of “Visions and Expectations”? Here are the issues I am pressing for clarity (lest the document go beyond what the Assembly has authorized: (1) Insofar as Footnote 2 of the revised document still seems to recognize the normative character of heterosexual matters, the church needs to explain whether that term can then be properly applied to gay unions, whether we are merely solemnizing civil unions in this case or whether they really are Christian marriages; (2) In Footnote 3 it states that one can hold on the basis of Scripture the ordination of practicing gays: we need clarity on whether clergy can mount public protests that claim without violating the constitutional stipulations so as to be subject to discipline; and (3) Here I am raising Steven’s question in another way and trying to find a way to force Chicago offices and the church to consider the scientific data: Where does the document address the pastoral care issue of whether creating a climate in congregations/synods in which homosexual practice is legitimated can effectively nurture homosexual practice among the membership who are homosexually inclined, but how in environments where heterosexuality is the norm such individuals might be drawn to straight dispositions and its lifestyle?
If large numbers of us give similar feedback there will be a better chance for our input to be felt in the process. Thus dialogue on our common concerns here might make for a fairer, more representative document.
Well thanks for the dialogue this time, colleagues and new friends. If I missed anyone’s concern, it is in error, not deliberate. Touch base. I’d still love to learn what you make of the scientific data I have presented, whether you deem it worthy of consideration by the church. If so, let’s get the word out! It’s not mine.
no problem with marriage in the left-hand
I also don't object to Luther's placement of marriage in the left-hand kingdom. However, it is precisely because it lies there that we must understand that marriage is as malleable as the state. There have been some configurations of marriage quite acceptable to Christ (Levirate marriage, for example) that we reject these days. Similarly, we understand Christ's exhortation of "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" to mean the state, not specifically the current Roman emporer. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with a configuration of marriage where the two participants have the same gender. Yes, Luther does use 'man and woman' terminology, but quite honestly I probably would, too. I think he uses it descriptively, not prescriptively. The importance he places on marriage and its near-universality for us is further support that homosexuals need to be married.
As to the data, I don't think it supports a rejection of homosexuality nor is it really that important whether people are locked into homosexuality at birth, or whether the environment has any degree of influence. God can and does ordain creation through both nature and nurture. The other problem is that sexual orientation is in many cases fixed for all intents and purposes.
As to your problems dealing with the bureaucracy, it's unfortunate, and there's no excuse for rudeness. However, they're still trying to figure out how the practical aspects of this decision will work as much as anyone else. It's going to take a while, I suspect, much to everyone's impatience (think about all the people who can now be ordained, for example). If you wanted evidence that this wasn't all for-planned, here it is.
marriage and the state
"mandate" of creation rather than a sacrament of redemption. As such, a marriage is a creation of the word of pronouncement (a performative utterance)
I'll agree with that
That sounds perfectly reasonable. However, estates are literally 'where I stand'. The question facing homosexuals is how does marriage fit into their lives 'where they stand' as people who God created to fall in love with others of the same gender? If you believe that marriage is an estate or mandate, there should be no question of whether or not they fit into it (ie, will we permit marriage between them) but rather how they fit into it (ie, do they need the same protections and responsibilities as heterosexuals, or are there other concerns, such as adoption, etc).
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So many presuppositions in this statement! First of all the estate of marriage whether humans wish to revise it or not in order to open the availability for gays is a non-issue. Estates are preformed configurations of existence, preformed by God following God's ordaining uniqueness. They cannot be manipulated by the creature, ie. by those who have received their existences. An estate is only for one man (this man) and one woman (this woman). This goes for both gay and the so-called remarried. Following divorce one cannot be remarried except through the issue of one spouse's death.
More On Marriage and the State
I’m still having trouble seeing precisely what is at stake for you in raising these issues. Please help me see that so I can get on board. Luther does not seem to make the kind of distinctions you want to make between the claims about marriage as belonging to the left-hand of God and treating marriage and family as distinct from the state. You did not answer my question directed to you and Peter. Are you worried that Christian marriage understood as a government affair might lead to a situation in which if the state legalizes marriage the Church must marry gays and lesbians? If you could respond I might better understand your concern. But please reflect on the Luther quotes I provided (or add some of your own), so that by text study we can arrive at the Reformer’s views. In addition to those I already cited, see Paul Althaus, The Ethics of Martin Luther, p.89-90. Also consider the full quote by Luther I previously cited:
For marriage is a rather
secular and outward thing,
having to do with wife and
children, house and home, and
with other matters that belong
to the realm of the
government, all of which have
been completely subjected to
reason
(WA 32:376/LW 21:93; cf.
WA 30III:205/ LW 46:265)
Sure sounds here like Luther deems both marriage and family to belong to government
Your comments lead me to wonder if you are overlooking the dialectical character of Luther’s thought, that a reality like marriage can be both Law and Gospel, both a matter of the state and of the church. Let’s chat more. Would still love to know what you make of the scientific data regarding ELCA Assembly decision and the next steps.
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Family and marriage belong within the natural order which includes government. It is a simple observation made as creatures who exist in the natural order that families as well as marriages occur within the arena in which the government has effectiveness. "I" could not exist without family. Conassociation is a presupposition to my own existence. (Which would carry the conversation into a different direction should we talk about American society's predilection for individualism over community.) I think the issue of "belonging" would be foreign to Luther
in the context used above.
Incidentally the ELCA's ineffectiveness at the seminary level for training pastors in terms of ethics has no regard for placing the conversation of ethics within the natural orders. Ethical issues are sensed and thus acted upon under the presupposition of being able to make the distinction between right or wrong. It is lamentable because one cannot argue right or wrong since that was forfeited at the Fall. And yet Christ's appearance has changed life... but in what way? Is ethics even an issue for Christians anymore or is it simply discipleship and mission.
Your Comment On Seminary Education: A Root Cause of Our Mess?
I love your title and your theological convictions. And of course I agree with most of what you write. You are on target regarding how “co-association,” (your term), not individualism, is essential to human being and how that would change our way of being a church if we believed and acted on it. And kudos for your point about ELCA seminary education as a root cause of the present directions of the ELCA. But before indicating the full scope of my agreement, I first want to tweak your point just a bit. For various reasons (both good and bad ones), we are not teaching pastors (and so laity) to do social ethics and politics from a Two-Kingdom Ethic. Yet I cannot fully agree with your point if you intend to claim that we no longer need Ethics since the coming of Christ. True enough, love comes spontaneously, and so we do not need ethical instruction in the Kingdom on the Right. But we do need Social Ethics in the realm of public policy since these are matters of reason. True enough, in that realm we cannot know right and wrong absolutely, since sin has tainted our perceptions of the natural law (WA 16: 447). But that doesn’t mean that we can’t make provisional judgments about right and wrong (LW 45: 129; LW 46:242). I think Reinhold Niebuhr’s perspective pretty well represented the Reformer at this point.
Regarding seminary education, this is the untold story, and I know something about this matter first hand having taught in a Lutheran seminary nearly 30 years ago, at one of our seminaries with the “highest academic reputation.” Even that long ago, it was obvious we were heading towards our present situation, with bad theology infecting the denomination. Academic standards were low and not enforced. Administrators did not support those who tried to raise the bar. If everyone in a class will pass no matter the quality of their work, no one (but the handful of scholarly students and those who love our Confessional tradition) does any work or learns anything. After years of this sort of ethos in our seminaries, with the further decline in standards about which some faculty
colleagues have lamented to me, it is little wonder there is so much Confessional illiteracy in our pulpits and denominational offices. To be sure, administrators and some faculty will tell you about the “high standards” of our schools, but look at the syllabi and how the grading is actually conducted, and you will see that all their rhetoric is “spin.” Not sure if we can turn this around in the foreseeable future, because with a pending clergy shortage the pressure is on faculty to ensure everyone gets through the system. But at least airing this linen could be salubrious. I’m just blessed to be at a seminary of the African-American church with administrators who support the kind of standards to which I and our church should be committed.
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At that, social ethics must fall into the realm of consideration of configurations within the natural orders dealing with relativity and faulty reasoning. And yes, for the sake of relative peace and security ascribed to a creation which is on its way out. (And obviously what I'm not talking about here is God's future call to "those who have fallen asleep".)
Thanks for your assistance and clarifications on these subjects. God's blessings.
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The fact remains and is precisely terminal at this vantage point. Marriage as a public act and rightfully administered by the civil order because it is appropriate to posit God's ordered estate within the civil realm, actually honors God's authority within the civil realm And yes the problem is how (at least in our nation) the government will exercise its authority on this issue. It remains a constant source of both promise and threat as to how the power within government will be used to the issue of recognition of same-sex "marriage". Only a few states have currently resolved this issue. There has been no majority of states settled on this issue least of all via the federal government's deliberation. As I have written before on this, I believe the ELCA's disregard for God's authority in the civil order has rendered (at least for me) ineffective the decisions at CWA.
In many ways the ELCA by its action at CWA has thumbed its nose at God's authority within the civil order.
More Dialogue
I agree with you that our collective exchanges related to my article have been conducted in a good spirit. My comments about how sinning bravely might lead us to be a little kinder to each other had the wider discussion in the ELCA as a whole in mind. Indeed, based on what has transpired thus far, I feel like our exchanges might be a model for the church. This brings me back to the question I posed to you: Can we still be friends if we disagree about your assessment of the validity of homosexual marriage? Hope so, because I don’t want to alienate a brother in Christ, but I do want to pose some questions in hopes that you can answer them so persuasively that I can be on your side and join the Assembly’s majority.
You say that the scientific data I have cited does not support the rejection of homosexuality. I hope not. I don’t want to reject anyone in my (Christian) family. But your comments to me and to Greg presuppose that God has created gays to fall in love with others of the same gender. Does the scientific data cited authorize that conclusion? Help me to see that. Right now it looks like the logic of your position entails that God has also created you and me to stray on our spouses and they on us (we do have a natural inclination) and also that God has created some to perpetrate violence (since some of us are born with a genetic disposition to such behavior). Help me understand the difference between claiming that gays are created by God to love those of their own sex and to sanction these other behaviors. I am awaiting a coherent argument for that position (it has not come from national headquarters). All we get is appeal to conscience. But even conscience is obligated to appeal to publicly accessible data. Is that not what Luther was contending for at the Diet of Worms (that he would continue to hold his position until convinced with arguments from the Word of God)?
In posing these tough questions, please do not feel that I am trying to put you on the spot. I raise them for a broader audience, plan to pose them to my old acquaintance from student days John Stendahl, and hope we can get ELCA headquarters to answer them. Want to try to help me and the whole church get those answers from Higgins Road? Truly persuasive answers can get me and perhaps other critics of the Assembly where I want to be, with you and the ELCA majority. But without them, how can I join in?
Finally, I note your comments that perhaps the reception I received from certain members of Higgins Road staff was a function of their still trying to figure out the practical aspects of the Assembly’s decisions, and that this demonstrates that the Assembly’s decisions were not all fore-planned. Ok, let’s suppose that you are correct. But in that case, if the staff and Church Council were really that uncertain about what the Assembly was doing, would not the prudent thing to have done be to treat the matter as a constitutional matter (holding it to the higher standards of the need for a 2/3s majority) just in case it turned out that the actions changed the constitution? But instead our leaders rejected these pleas and as a result the ordination of practicing gays and lesbians has been authorized (by the narrowest majority possible). Understand the suspicions? Or maybe it was just poor church leadership on the part of our staff? My mentors in ministry taught me that you better have vast majorities in your flock on the side of changes you want to make, or expect unity and harmony in the church to suffer. It’s like our leaders have forgotten good parish horse-sense. Or did they? Look forward to learning more of what you think about these matters. Wouldn’t it be great if we could forge a coalition to get some answers?
Peter:
I agree with you that our collective exchanges related to my article have been conducted in a good spirit. My comments about how sinning bravely might lead us to be a little kinder to each other had the wider discussion in the ELCA as a whole in mind. Indeed, based on what has transpired thus far, I feel like our exchanges might be a model for the church. This brings me back to the question I posed to you: Can we still be friends if we disagree about your assessment of the validity of homosexual marriage? Hope so, because I don’t want to alienate a brother in Christ, but I do want to pose some questions in hopes that you can answer them so persuasively that I can be on your side and join the Assembly’s majority.
You say that the scientific data I have cited does not support the rejection of homosexuality. I hope not. I don’t want to reject anyone in my (Christian) family. But your comments to me and to Greg presuppose that God has created gays to fall in love with others of the same gender. Does the scientific data cited authorize that conclusion? Help me to see that. Right now it looks like the logic of your position entails that God has also created you and me to stray on our spouses and they on us (we do have a natural inclination) and also that God has created some to perpetrate violence (since some of us are born with a genetic disposition to such behavior). Help me understand the difference between claiming that gays are created by God to love those of their own sex and to sanction these other behaviors. I am awaiting a coherent argument for that position (it has not come from national headquarters). All we get is appeal to conscience. But even conscience is obligated to appeal to publicly accessible data. Is that not what Luther was contending for at the Diet of Worms (that he would continue to hold his position until convinced with arguments from the Word of God)?
In posing these tough questions, please do not feel that I am trying to put you on the spot. I raise them for a broader audience, plan to pose them to my old acquaintance from student days John Stendahl, and hope we can get ELCA headquarters to answer them. Want to try to help me and the whole church get those answers from Higgins Road? Truly persuasive answers can get me and perhaps other critics of the Assembly where I want to be, with you and the ELCA majority. But without them, how can I join in?
Finally, I note your comments that perhaps the reception I received from certain members of Higgins Road staff was a function of their still trying to figure out the practical aspects of the Assembly’s decisions, and that this demonstrates that the Assembly’s decisions were not all fore-planned. Ok, let’s suppose that you are correct. But in that case, if the staff and Church Council were really that uncertain about what the Assembly was doing, would not the prudent thing to have done be to treat the matter as a constitutional matter (holding it to the higher standards of the need for a 2/3s majority) just in case it turned out that the actions changed the constitution? But instead our leaders rejected these pleas and as a result the ordination of practicing gays and lesbians has been authorized (by the narrowest majority possible). Understand the suspicions? Or maybe it was just poor church leadership on the part of our staff? My mentors in ministry taught me that you better have vast majorities in your flock on the side of
changes you want to make, or expect unity and harmony in the church to suffer. It’s like our leaders have forgotten good parish horse-sense. Or did they? Look forward to learning more of what you think about these matters. Wouldn’t it be great if we could forge a coalition to get some answers?
David's favorite article of the AC
Unity in Christ, or "still being friends if we disagree" is a large part of the ELCA's sexuality statement. I don't think any disagreement should alienate other Christians, nor be excuse for treating others with less than perfect love. Incidentally, it seems the cries of leaving have sounded loudest from those opposed to permitting homosexual relationshis within the church. How many people are leaving after not getting exactly their way (I wouldn't even call it a defeat, really), whereas those "on the other side" have had defeat after defeat over the last 20 years, and yet remained Lutheran? However, as a Gospel-issue, I think dialogue on this issue is critical.
The difference between homosexuality and adultery is most easily seen with AC4. That is our pair of measuring sticks for anything the church should undertake. Does this action lead one closer to, or further away, from faith in Christ and does it spread the benefits of Christ's death and resurrection such that devout consciences are comforted? Destruction of marriage through adultery does not lead one closer to Christ. Homosexuality in the context of a marriage does, though, as much as heterosexuality in the context of marriage does. What does Paul say of the fruits of the Spirit in Galatians 5:22-23? Or, to put it another way, how does homosexuality in the context of marriage lead one away from faith in Christ alone and only?
The ELCA leadership is trying to walk a fine line, and that's why there aren't answers coming from there. In a sense, I think they're trying to respect all sides, and while I do not think that is the correct action, they certainly seem to so. A lot of people have tried to provide persuasive answers. Part of the problem is that you can only get out of the Bible what you come looking for. Some people are looking for a step-by-step instruction manual for the exactly correct life to live, despite Paul's denial that such a thing exists in Galatians and Romans and Christ's shredding of the manual the Jews had when he broke the purity laws, Sabbath laws, Temple laws, etc. Such a thing can be found, but the Jesus Seminar people managed to find Jesus-the-Cynic in Scripture as well. We have to look with the Law/Gospel lenses afforded by the AC. We read the Bible for the double revelation of how we fall short and how Christ through His death and resurrection bridges that gap. We need to ask both 'what is the fruit that homosexual practice in the context of marriage bears?' and 'how does homosexual practice in the context of marriage reflect a deeper God-problem?' Even more importantly, we need to ask what the consequences of Christ's death and resurrection are for people in homosexual relationships and how trusting Christ alters their life.
As to leadership disarray, the ELCA is a bureaucracy. I don't think it's misgivings about the resolution so much as they need to figure out how to implement it, especially in regards to how to determine what a 'publicly accountable lifelong monogamous relationship' is. For heterosexuals, there's always a marriage certificate that can be looked up. The other problem is that the people in the middle levels of the bureaucracy aren't experts on ELCA constitutional matters. It seems the current presumption is that it will not change the Constitution. As others and I believe, such a decision is actually more consistent with both Scripture and the Confessions than the previous policies. For those who don't agree, they included the bound Conscience provision, which allows those folks to interpret Scripture and Confessions as they see fit. Also, how this plays out legally is anyone's guess. They don't know what shenanigans CORE, Word Alone or the bishops will pull, and it will probably be defined in how those issues that arise get dealt with. If a bishop is foolish enough to only offer married homosexuals to churches in some parts of the country, there'll be problems. There's also the problem of integrating the ELM people, some of whom got eliminated earlier on in their candidacy than others, but have been still actually working as pastors for the last several years.
Finding Fair Grounds for a Church-Wide Dialogue
Thanks for continuing the dialogue. Your appeal to Galatians 5:22f. (the fruits of the Spirit) as a way to distinguish the “naturalness” of the tendency to violence or the disposition of straights to seek multiple sexual partners from the natural disposition towards homosexuality was a thoughtful argument, one of the two best justifications of the Assembly actions I have read. But I am not yet totally won over (though a few more arguments like yours and I may be, especially if you consider all the relevant data the scientific findings raise).
I concur that at first glance long-term homosexual relations seem more likely to cultivate the virtues of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control than a life of violence in gangs or even lives characterized by hookin’ up. But can’t you find some of that kind of fidelity in gangs among members (young people from the hood who never had family til they joined a gang) or in intense heterosexual encounters? How do we quantify which lifestyle is more reflective of these fruits? Oh but there are works of the flesh evident in lives of violence and free sex – anger, quarrels, envy, drunkenness, and carousing. But what are we to make of Paul’s warnings against fornication and licentiousness? Could some still regard those fruits to reflect in gay relationships? By your own hermeneutic (see below), do you not have to countenance such interpretations of the text you introduce?
Let’s get back to the fruits of the Spirit, not in terms of individual fulfillment, but in terms of what is good for society. You seem willing to agree with the scientific data that homosexual activity is not genetically inevitable, is related to environment. If so, we need to recognize that if homosexual practice is as acceptable as heterosexual practice, then you forfeit the social pressures which may have nurtured heterosexual practice in the past among those with homosexual genetic dispositions. Is that good for society? I still need to see that argument made successfully in order be able to sign on to your and the Assembly’s side. I am personally aware of two cases in my own seminary, one at LSTC, and of course Bishop Robinson of The Episcopal Church where the lessening of the stigma against homosexual practice created a climate permitting church leaders to terminate long-term heterosexual marriages in favor of commitment to a gay or lesbian lover. Of course we can extol the happiness these gay individuals (though not their former spouses) found. What kind of a society should we in the Church seek to nurture?
You want us to ask what the consequences of Christ’s death and resurrection are for people in homosexual relations. Why not do the same for those engaged in extra-marital heterosexual relations and criminals? On grounds of the ELCA’s present arguments, what precludes openness to ordaining candidates engaged in such activities if they can demonstrate that they result in fruits of the Spirit?
In your closing comments you note that the ELCA currently presumes our Assembly actions and the follow-up policies will not change the constitution. That’s just the point of my research and encounter with the staff. “They don’t know,” most staff members say (after they give you their initial talking-point). We need to press this issue with staff. If we are not sure if the Assembly and follow-up actions change the meaning of the constitution, then protest is no longer possible for ELCA pastors (as per our ELCA constitution) and the Assembly illicitly acted with a simple majority on the decision to sanction homosexual unions and the ordination of practicing gays and lesbians. Note again my comments about how Higgins Road staff has orchestrated a pastoral style to these changes that violate good parish horse-sense.
I can’t agree with your point that the ELCA Sexuality Statement and related Assembly decisions are as open to other views as you and they contend. It hits the fan in your comments that “you can only get out of the Bible what you are looking for.” This is good Liberal Theology, a fine statement of Post-Modernism. Those are the only terms, it seems, that you and Higgins Road offices allow for dissenters. But that means that they are only welcome on your own terms (just like telling dissenters they can oppose the ordination of practicing gays, but now have to accept the validity of their ordination). This is the tyranny of Modern Management Techniques and the oppression exercised by those in power in the name of Post-Modernism. In the name of “can’t we all get along,” you remove the possibility of meaningful dissent where the dissenters can argue on their own terms. Where is there room in this vision for those with a Pre-Modern hermeneutic, who believe you really can understand a text’s meaning (with the guidance of the Holy Spirit) in dialogue with the community and its traditions? Failure by those on your side to come to terms with those interpersonal and structural dynamics explains why CORE folks feel so manipulated. It’s unfair to expect you to respond to this matter (I don’t intend to put you on the spot), but Higgins Road hierarchy owes such pastoral care to the church, to find a place for the dissenters on their own terms, not just let them speak if they fit into a pigeon hole created for them by staff’s own Protestant Liberal Theology. Let’s try to exert some pressure to get ELCA staff to do the hard theological work it will take to give a pastorally sensitive response.
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Yes, sadly this is much of the state of current ways of doing biblical hermeneutics. Of course the alien methodology does have some roots back to the Reformation. When both RC/Trent as well as Calvinists began to treat Scripture as an entity engaged on its own terms and thus as a result there emerged a hermeneutic which posited authority within the reason of the individual alone. Although once the individual discovered this methodology of reading Scripture, he/she proposed to ascribe divine value to this methodology. Upon these premises without regard to Scripture interprets Scripture or (as Althaus aptly phrases it Scripture is its own critic)authority is placed outside of God's Word.
This can be a way of using Scripture. But the issue of authority is now at war with itself.
Scientific Research Ignored?
Not so much--those who remain in the ELCA have voted to leave historic Lutheranism, and hence genuine Lutheranism in favor of what has been termed "Liberal Protestantism." Simply put, calling a person a Lutheran doesn't make him/her a Lutheran.
Words such as "Lutheran" have meanings, that is, operational definitions. Emptying a term of its meaning in an attempt to make everyone happy does no one any favors, for example, if we were to define "Christians" as "all those who choose to call themselves Christians", that is at odd with Christ's own definition of who His followers are, and would include followers of Mary Baker Eddy, Joseph Smith, Charles Taise Russel, and a host of others who accept the name "Christian" only on their own terms.
But, considering what you have mentioned in the above quote, I think you're right, that it can influence discussion among American Lutherans, including those in the Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod (LCMS), The American Association of Lutheran Churches (TAALC), the Lutheran Congregations in Mission for Christ (LCMC), those Lutherans who have opted to stay with the ELCA despite its doctrinal departure, and many others.
It's interesting regarding the kind of reception you have been given. Thanks for sharing the statistics and your attempts to get that word out.