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Revisiting Seminex

by Paul Sauer — January 24, 2009

This past week I was privileged to be one of the invited speakers to Concordia Theological Seminary’s 32nd Annual Theological Symposium. The topic was a look back at the major figures of the LCMS in the events leading up to formation of Seminex. Presentations were made by Robert Wilken on Jaroslav Pelikan, Phil Secker on Arthur Carl Piepkorn, Larry Rast Jr. on J.A.O Preus, David Scaer on Robert Preus, Dean Wenthe on Martin Scharlemann, Robert Shuta on Walter A Maier and David Schmidt on Richard Caemmerer. My presentation was on the least well known of all of the figures – Berthold von Schenk...

This past week I was privileged to be one of the invited speakers to Concordia Theological Seminary’s 32nd Annual Theological Symposium. The topic was a look back at the major figures of the LCMS in the events leading up to formation of Seminex. Presentations were made by Robert Wilken on Jaroslav Pelikan, Phil Secker on Arthur Carl Piepkorn, Larry Rast Jr. on J.A.O Preus, David Scaer on Robert Preus, Dean Wenthe on Martin Scharlemann, Robert Shuta on Walter A Maier and David Schmidt on Richard Caemmerer. My presentation was on the least well known of all of the figures – Berthold von Schenk.

While few of the presentations were groundbreaking in introducing new information about these key figures, the symposium itself was helpful. All presenters were able to provide humanizing pictures of these key theologians for those “old timers” who thought they knew them well, and critical reviews of theology to introduce this past generation of theologians to the present. An archive of the videos from the presentations is expected within the next few weeks at www.ctsfw.edu , so I will not devote time to recapping the presentations.

Having had a couple of days to reflect on things, what stands out most is the reaction of the attendees to the presentations. Old timers – those who had lived through the tribulation – almost always began their questions or observations with a personal reflection. Clearly, many who have lived through these events have not been given many opportunities to reflect dispassionately on the events that had occurred. For that reason alone the symposium was helpful. More opportunities are needed for Missouri to come to grips with its past. The symposium was officially titled “A Last Look at Missouri’s Critical Time: The 1950s to 1970s.” It is my hope that this “last look” becomes a first step in bringing some healing, forgiveness, and reconciliation that is long overdue. The recent death of one of the major behind the scenes players, Richard John Neuhaus, who seemed to show up in each of the presentations, is a reminder that the generation for whom these events were so personal is reaching its nadir. The greatest tragedy of all may be that for many of them, the unresolved anger (justified or not) will go with them to their grave.

The other interesting reaction was from those who were too young to have first hand memories of the period. Their interest seemed to lay, at least in the questions that were asked, in appropriating these past theologians for, among other things, the present controversies of women’s ordination and open communion.

I was pleased at the opportunity to give von Schenk a fair hearing to so many, both old timers and new who know little of him beyond his autobiography (available from the ALPB). Lost in the occasionally bombastic rhetoric, is a beautiful eucharistic theology, that in my view lies more at the heart of curing whatever ails the Lutheran Church today than the ancillary questions which have become so central for so many.

Seminex revisited

Posted by Edgar Krentz at January 26, 2009 14:24
I was not at Fort Wayne. I noted that there was no one on the program who actually was at Seminex, was on the 801 faculty [as I was], who was actually "investigated" by the fact finding committee, and who was put out of the LCMS. Therefore the program at Fort Wayne did not represent ev everyone involved. There were no presentations on John Tietjen, Martin Scharlemann or Ralph Bohlmann; did anyone represent the positive outcome for Lutheranism outside the LCMS, speak at all about the Lutheran reactioin among members of the LSF? It strikes me that it was very incomplete

I agree

Posted by Paul Sauer at January 26, 2009 14:39
Rev. Krentz,

Thankyou for your coments. I agree wholeheartedly with you that this was not a definitive conference (although for the record, Dean Wenthe did give a brief paper on Martin Scharlemann). In the end it was more a collection of presentations about the key theological figures from the decades leading up to Seminex than the events of the time itslef. Clearly there were some glaring absences - key among them John Tietjen. There was little mention made about the LCUSA. Ed Schroeder and the Law-Gospel dialectic were discussed but not as topics within their own right.

In my view this conference was a good, safe first step. Robert Wilken, Phil Secker and I were treated very well by the assembly as were our subject matters, which as Bob Benne described last year in Forum Letter is not always the case at these symposia. Perhpas the next step would be a conference at 801 Demun (or 801 Seminary Place as it is now called) that could bring together individuals like yourself who experienced so much personal pain. Your story deserves to be told in its own words. This conference showed that the topic could at least be discussed civilly, and that in Missouri is no small thing.

As a Seminex grad

Posted by Rev. Steven Little at January 31, 2009 07:09
Dr Krentz is right of course, that the stories of those who were actually there should be presented by those who survive. I was at Concordia Senior College in that year and then studied at Seminex. I had not set foot on the campus of Concordia in 35 years and went with some tepidation. I was when the folk there learned I was an ELCA Pastor and a Seminex grad treated for the most part with kindness and curiosity. There was one rather nasty incident about "How are you getting along with the priestesses" but for the most part a desire to engage in theological talk. How I wish I found the same willingness to engage in theology in our own church {ELCA] and not just by co\task forces and assembly votes. Have we not learned that majority votes do not determine truth. We face great issues in the ELCA which cut to the heart of what is the Office of the Ministry and what is the Church. I find no place for us to engage in the type of serious theological and confessional reflection such problems merit. My prayers are that our own seminaries would sponsor symposia of the quality that I just attended. As an aside Your presentation on BvS was outstanding as I told you at the symposia.

Christ Seminary -- Seminex

Posted by Rev. Rob Weiter at November 25, 2009 14:53
I was an M.Div. at Seminex student during the summer and academic year final in Saint Louis, one of the youngest -- if not the youngest -- seminarians in the country. At that time, Seminex was meeting in the Humbolt Building on Grand while the Fox Theater was being renovated. (For any old classmates reading this, I was the guy with the crutches.)

I had been a member of an LCMS congregation and transferred to an AELC congregation because a number of our members would have left had I maintained LCMS membership.

Although I am no longer Lutheran and have served in The United Methodist ministry, on the staff of a United Church of Christ congregation and now, the Congregational ministry (NACCC), for years, I was always very saddened by the damage and pain the occurred when the "split" developed.

Having attended Concordia College -- River Forest, I also knew first hand the sad situation with Grace Lutheran Church and its Pastor F. Dean Lueking because, encouraged by several "liberal" faculty, I attended there and it was he who recommended me to Seminex.

I did not attend the conference, so I do not know whether presentations about key Seminex figures were presented fairly by anyone who might be presenting from the LCMS (non-Seminex) position.
For effective healing to take place, I believe there has to be a willingness on both sides to dialog and to understand each other's perspectives rather than analyzing through either side's "lens". Otherwise, there's the risk of misinterpretation or misrepresentation or a change of emphasis that may not, truly, represent the person being discussed.

Pastor Rob Weiter




A good beginning

Posted by Rev. Todd Peperkorn at January 31, 2009 09:36
As another one of the youngin's who didn't live through those tumultuous times (born in 1970), I enjoyed the presentations very much. The most informative for me were your paper on von Schenk, and Shuta's paper on WAM I. In these two men we see two of the major trajectories that define the LCMS to this day. While that isn't precisely about Seminex, et alii, it does demonstrate that issues facing Lutheranism worldwide go much deeper than simplistic "Battle for the bible" perspectives.

Thanks for your time. I enjoyed it very much.

Pr. Todd Peperkorn

Let's revisit several times please

Posted by Scott Jurgens at March 25, 2009 19:06
Aside from the fact that much healing needs to take place, Seminex is becoming a bit of a historical debate even among those who were professors and students at Seminex. Found within several of Ed Schroeder's Thursday Theology articles found at Crossings.org, he mentions that the real battle was over the teaching going on in the Systematics department (Bertram-Schroeder law/gospel emphasis vs. 17th cent. Lutheran orthodoxy taught by the faculty minority).

When I attended Seminex it seemed like most people interpreted the battle as one within the Exegesis department, i.e. Biblical inerrancy vs. the Historical Critical method. This was the view I tended to follow during my Seminex years and for a couple of decades as a parish pastor and Navy Chaplain. Now I lean towards Dr. Schroeder's understanding.

It would be good to have a symposium just among the Seminex crowd to hear their similarities and differences. Then maybe another with those who remained at 801 Demun, etc. Even after reading all of the histories centering on Seminex, the underlying reasons for the LCMS schism are more complex than we might realize.

crossings conference

Posted by Pr. George T. Rahn at May 03, 2009 22:03
Following a quick read of both above article and comments, I want to invite anyone who wishes to "thrive and survive" in the law/gospel hermeneutic to attend the annual Crossings international conference held near St. Louis. (see website www.crossings.org) Those of us who attended Christ Seminary-Seminex have a distinct and up-to-date way of dealing with the issue of faithful confessing of the Gospel in a pluralist age. This annual conference is a must for anyone who sees mission as a priority here in America. With many alien gospels floating around being passed off as THE Gospel (ala Galatians) the Crossings conference will give you tools to wade through the communication mire within both church and world.

RJN

Posted by Glenn Richter at March 30, 2009 12:38
Your article doesn't explain why each of the presenters alluded to Richard Neuhaus (maybe just the closeness of January 8), but here's why if I had been a presenter (unlikely in the extreme) I would have alluded to him. He asked himself, "Why not Rome?" and couldn't find a satifactory answer. As Lutheranism (left, right and center) declines in America it should be asking itself what it has that people want and need that can't be easily found elsewhere; and how whatever that is can be presented in terms those same people have a reasonable chance of apprehending. The institutions (ELCA, LCMS) have a natural and understandable urge to preserve themselves, but that's not an answer to Richard's question. The debates I see in these pages seem quite focused on the categories and issues of previous times and situations. When I was in the hands of the LCMS educational establishment (prior to the great cleansing), there was lots of talk about how to make Lutheran witness relevant to the times. I'm not suggesting we came up with complete or even good answers, but here we are 40 years later still focused on issues the man or woman in the street would find bewildering. The numbers make it clear that Christianity in America is figuring out how to get along without us.

What about the rest of us?

Posted by Rev. Dr. Frederick Henry Schoenfeld at February 22, 2010 20:30
I was a student at Concordia, St. Louis from 1968 to 1972. I knew the key players and was a student of Dr. Klein, and Dr. Smith and Dr. Tiejen, and Dr. Damn and all the rest of the "boys". However, what stands out to me, and yes, I still have the pain from those days, it does not leave very easily, even when we give it over to our Lord Jesus and let Him handle it... To continue,I ask, "Was the real issue about John Tiejen and Ralph Klein and Martin Schaarleman?" (frankly I do not care how to spell their names, they do not even know mine.) These good men were the leaders of students, of newly ordained Pastors who were, as I was, serving in their first congregations. Clergy like me, who believed the talk of the Seminex boys and because I wanted to "defend the true Gospel of Jesus" as ELIM proclaimed, I carefully and methodically led my congregation to prayerfully and scripturally examine the issues and (to cut this short,) leave the LCMS and become part of the AELC. At what cost? To me personally, huge! To my congregation? huge!. To personal relations for both myself and the congregation? huge!. And for what? At the end of the day, this writer believes it was an ego trip of which he, as a newly ordained pastor and recent Concordia, St Louis graduate was a witless, (shame on me) victim. All of us, both the "them" and the "us" need to repent of the terrible sin of Pride. Yes, there is a time to defend the Gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus, but Seminex was not that time. What we can do today is to prostrate ourselves at the foot of the Cross we thought we were defending. We can ask the Lord of that cross to forgive our sins (both sides) of arrogance. We can receive his word of forgiveness because of our contrition, a true heartful sorrow,. And then we can, all of us, stand up, embrace with the words of the Service, "The Peace of the Lord be with You." and then kneeling at the altar we can participate, by His grace, in the Holy Body and Blood, really and truly present. And gathering together after that most holy, existential and ontological event, we can start all over again to do His work. Hey, guys, He is still Lord of Lords and King of Kings and if we do not do this before we die, we may be shocked at His response to us when we stand, or should I again say, as we lay prostrate before Him!

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Posted by A Telling Comment at July 27, 2010 20:27
"Have we not learned that majority votes do not determine truth."

-Rev. Steven Little

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