Lutherans and Roman Catholics - By the Numbers
One of the many hats that I wear is as the leader of the Atlantic District team on our local trialogue with the ELCA Metro-NY Synod and the Archdiocese of New York. Given the significant changes in the American church political landscape over the past few years, the dialog determined to spend the first few meetings just reintroducing ourselves. Each tradition shared some of its history as church bodies and regional incarnations of church bodies, documenting developments over the years, and identifying challenges and pressing issues that their respective communions will face in the years ahead. It was a rare and helpful opportunity for each tradition to describe itself in its own words I had always known how big Roman Catholicism and the Archdiocese of New York was. But to work with actual numbers was astounding. Arch-NY has nearly 3 million members. Comparatively, the whole of the LCMS has approximately 2.5 million members (the ELCA, 4.8 Million)....
One of the many hats that I wear is as the leader of the Atlantic District team on our local trialogue with the ELCA Metro-NY Synod and the Archdiocese of New York. Given the significant changes in the American church political landscape over the past few years, the dialog determined to spend the first few meetings just reintroducing ourselves. Each tradition shared some of its history as church bodies and regional incarnations of church bodies, documenting developments over the years, and identifying challenges and pressing issues that their respective communions will face in the years ahead. It was a rare and helpful opportunity for each tradition to describe itself in its own words.
I had always known how big Roman Catholicism and the Archdiocese of New York was. But to work with actual numbers was astounding. Arch-NY has nearly 3 million members. Comparatively, the whole of the LCMS has approximately 2.5 million members (the ELCA, 4.8 Million). What is surprising is that Arch-NY has only 371 parishes serving those 3 million members. By comparison the LCMS has just over 6000 parishes serving almost half a million fewer members! The numbers of ordained pastors/priests are equally disproportional, 1505 in the Arch-NY versus around 9400 in the LCMS.
I am still not entirely sure what to make of the numbers. It is hard to imagine the average 8000 members per parish receiving the same level of pastoral care that the average 400 members per parish in the LCMS receive (The ELCA has a similar average of 450 parishioners/parish), even if unlike most Lutheran pastors, the Roman Catholic priest doesn’t have competing vocational responsibilities as a parent or spouse. And yet having a critical mass of parishioners allows Roman Catholics the luxury to fund social service, parochial education, missions, and other agencies in a way that Lutherans in recent years have not. Due to their smaller size, a Lutheran parish must devote a comparatively larger percentage of their resources simply to pay pastoral salary, to cover church overhead, and to keep the actual physical plant operational.
At some point, the question must be asked – how large is too large for adequate pastoral care? But the question must also be asked – how small is too small to be good stewards of the resources God has given? Given their hierarchy and wider-church loyalty, Roman Catholics are able to ask the questions and restructure in ways that are at least seeking to balance critical mass and pastoral care. Given Lutheranism’s fierce congregational autonomy and even more fierce loyalty to the local congregation (and building) it is doubtful that such questions could even be asked, or possibilities for restructuring considered. This institutional paralysis in the face of growing organizational challenges, more than any other factor, may be the key contributor to Lutheranism’s continued slow steady decline in the United States.
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church size
The "Numbers Game"
They're connected
Really?
Or, uh, the whole not having kids thing.
Lutheran Econ
That big church is enough of a puzzle. But the little micro Lutheran churches are really hard to figure. Other denominations would use bivocational pastors for churches with 50 or 60 people, but Lutherans seem to have so many requirements for ordination that the bivocational guy isn't usually an option. So you have people going to seminary for several years to graduate and go to churches that can't afford them. At least they can't afford to pay them and pay for the other things a church is supposed to do. So you have all of these little churches just struggling to stay afloat when they should merge and take advantage of economies of scale. They would then be able have more an impact. The same problem exists at the Synod level. The weekly attendance in the SE Synod is about the same as some COUNTY level Baptist associations. To have a Bishop and associated staff for a unit that small is just nuts. Not surprisingly, the synod spends much of its time just planning for the next furlough. Then to make matters completely unsurvivable, we adopt policies that scare off people with kids. You watch this stuff and you just have to wonder if the ELCA really wants to survive. It looks like it is suicidal.
How do you know?
A couple years ago in our parish, a RC woman from the States was to be the sponsor at the baptism of her niece or so. But this woman from America could not produce any proof of being RC, she even did not know the address of her own parish. So I wonder how reliable are the number furnished by RC dioceses.
ELCA/Roman Catholics
Oh yeah. I know of two, my husband, a "cradle Catholic" who has no use for the Catholic church since Vatican II and me, as a former ELCA and Catholic member.
I will say my stay in the ELCA did prepare me well in some ways to become Catholic for ten years, after which reality set back in and I had to spend a bit of time detoxing from the RC.
Cultural Catholicism? It's legion. Two things that the ELCA should never be impressed about, the numbers game in the Catholic church and their hierarchical structures.
Of course, having been raised Lutheran by a faithful Lutheran mother I came to my senses and have returned to my Lutheran roots but in the LCMS. The endless heterodoxy of the ELCA just makes membership there impossible.
But for heaven's sake, I wish the ELCA powers that be would quit mooning over the RC. There's not going to be any intercommunion between the ELCA and RC and frankly, I don't know why any orthodox Lutheran would want there to be.
Christine
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